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    Q&A with Filmmaker Matt Carter About His Gay Rugby Romance

    By Gary M. Kramer–

    Out gay filmmaker Matt Carter makes an auspicious feature film directorial debut with In from the Side. His terrific drama—now available on iTunes, Amazon, DVD, and Blu-ray—mixes romance and sports as Mark (Alexander Lincoln) is a B-team rugby player who falls for Warren (Alexander King), who is on the league’s A-team.

    While both men, are, in fact, in relationships with other guys, they cannot control their desires and embark on a secret affair. And when Warren joins Mark’s league for an away game, Mark ditches his teammates to be alone with Warren, indicating their trysts may be turning into something more serious. As Mark falls more in love with Warren—and they spend more alone time together—Mark rethinks what he wants out of a relationship. Will their love win against all odds?

    I recently spoke with Carter for the San Francisco Bay Times about making In from the Side to find out.

    Gary M. Kramer: What can you say about making a gay romantic drama about rugby players for your feature directorial debut?

    Matt Carter: I think it’s an authentic representation of that world. I’ve been involved with inclusive rugby for eight years as a player, coach, and referee, and that is exactly what that world is like. From the inception of the idea, we wanted no homophobia and no coming out storylines. The fact that these characters are gay is unremarkable and not a comment on that. We just showed their lives. It flavors the story, but it’s not the story’s theme. So many films deal with the angst and stress and dark side of being in the LGBTQ community. [It is] nice to show things as they are and it allows you to look at life after coming out and shows that authentically without having to default to the stereotypes in gay cinema. It is refreshing that there is no drama about their sexuality.

    Gary M. Kramer: What about depicting the romance? This is a film that addresses infidelity. Can you discuss why you chose to examine that theme and build the story around that topic?

    Matt Carter: Open relations and monogamy are huge topics we’re on the forefront of exploring. The film reflects reality—it does not promote something in a negative or positive way. It invites sympathy for these characters who are doing morally questionable things, but the love they develop is beautiful in and of itself. All the characters are flawed, imperfect, because that’s real life. Showing that one couple has an open relationship, and one has a closed relationship—which is better, which is worse, are they both problematic? It explores that. But also, the wider friendships and the different friendships we have in the gay community, and the sense of belonging we long for whether that is in a relationship or the community aspect of a rugby club.

    Gary M. Kramer: The story is mostly told through Mark’s point of view. We get very little information about Warren’s life; he often just shows up wanting sex and romance. What can you say about creating the characters and developing their relationship?

    Matt Carter: We view everything through Mark’s perspective. We rarely linger on Warren. We see Warren through Mark’s eyes, but in the French Alps scene, Warren is vulnerable, and Mark is the confident one. Mark is in his world, and it’s fun to see the bravado and mask Warren wears fall away. It shows what their love could be.

    Warren is desperate for a closeness and that manifests through the physicality of sex and lust. He wants someone who really sees him and who makes him feel something that his current relationship doesn’t. We infer he is a thrill seeker and that he has a shady past and has an addictive personality. He is looking for constant excitement and Mark kind of gives him that. He falls for Mark because he feels really seen by him, and they both find in each other what they don’t have in their current relationships.

    Gary M. Kramer: I know you coach rugby, and the film’s sports scenes have a real sense of authenticity. Can you talk about staging them? And did you cast actors who could play rugby, or did you find rugby players who could act?

    Matt Carter: All the actors are actors, but during the casting process we said anyone who had prior sport or rugby experience was a plus. Most played in school, but a few never played. We wanted performance first. I coach, so I could bring people up to speed. I teach beginners to learn the sport in 8 weeks to make newbies match-ready. I did a boot camp. But it’s a movie, so it’s choreography, and we don’t expect the actors to do much other than pass the ball and look confident. There is genuine rugby happening in the film, and we did lots of set pieces. So, we showed the best bits of what we filmed to make it authentic. Rugby is a complicated sport, and you can bore an audience if you ask them to follow any game, but we do care about characters, so we focused on characters’ faces and what they were feeling.

    Gary M. Kramer: I really appreciated the camaraderie of the teammates and that you took time to define the characters. What can you say about creating that in the script and with the cast?

    Matt Carter: There are about 15 speaking roles in the film, and it can be very easy to get them mixed up, so we had to give them personalities and connections—who are they friends with, or do they not get along with? We are dropping [viewers] into a world that already exists. It’s a rugby family, and you don’t always get along, but you put up with and tolerate and love each other in their way. The B-team story is almost as important as the central relationship is and it’s the stage the relationship takes place. They affect each other.

    Gary M. Kramer: Let’s talk about the love scenes and making a gay romance with more romance than sex. 

    Matt Carter: Adam Silver, my co-writer, and I had a discussion from the start that we would not have any gratuitous sex. Anytime sex is used it [is done so as] a storytelling device. There are only two scenes where the characters are actually having sex: a scene in a bathroom and after the Cardiff match. They are turning points for the characters. It’s really showing how they start to fall for each other. The sex is more lovemaking and them falling harder for each other. It shows they have a physical attraction.

    Gary M. Kramer: The film is really about body blows—getting hurt physically on the pitch and emotionally with heartbreak or hurting others. Can you talk about that aspect of your film?

    Matt Carter: It is about how you hurt your head and you hurt your heart. The tagline one of the actors came up with, which is used on the poster, is: Love is a contact sport.

    © 2023 Gary M. Kramer

    Gary M. Kramer is the author of “Independent Queer Cinema: Reviews and Interviews,” and the co-editor of “Directory of World Cinema: Argentina.” Follow him on Twitter @garymkramer

    Film
    Published on March 9, 2023